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Ask Dr. Andro: What Are Human Equivalent Doses (HED) and How Do I Calculate Them?

Image 1: Rat & guinea pig. Both very
popular animal models. Both about the
same size and weight, but with very
different reactions to identical treatments.
I won't waste too many words on this being a new series on the SuppVersity, I suppose the name "Ask Dr. Andro" is self-explanatory. It is based on questions posted in the comment section that are relevant for the majority of the visitors and require and deserve a more sophisticated response. So, if you want your question answered, learn a lesson from "Learner" who posted the following question in the comment section of "Spicing Up Fat Loss: Structural Similarity to Melanocortin-4 Agonists Powers Piperine's (Black Pepper Extract) Fat Loss and Lipid Lowering Effects".

Question from "Learner": Why is the mg/kg dosing ratio different for humans than rats, and does that vary by the agent?

Answer from Dr. Andro: Most of what we know about the effects of (new) drugs, supplements, vitamins, minerals, diets, macronutrient ratios and all the other stuff you read about here at the SuppVersity are derived from animal studies. The reasons thereof are manifold:
  1. Animal models are "save" - you do not risk a human life, if you test your new drug on a rat, so this is "safe" for humans
  2. Animal models are cheap and readily available - just order a bunch of lab mice, a few cages and the respective chow and get going; even in the days of slavery that would have been way more difficult with human beings
  3. Animal models (at least some) are easily genetically modifiable - turn off a gene and see what it does
  4. Animal models are time-efficient - if you want to know how life-long supplementation with substance A affects a critter, you better not use a tortoise or your experiment will literally "survive" you
  5. Animal models have an endless list of other advantages, I do not want to list here, because they are not really relevant for the question at hand...
Notwithstanding all these benefits, as a faithful visitor of the SuppVersity you will be familiar with the problems that arise in interpreting data from studies conducted on one species in view of expected results of similar experiments conducted with another species. Even rats and mice can react very differently to a given substance and despite their similar weight and seize guinea pigs and rat models can by no means be used interchangeably.

But let's get back to the "human equivalent" - obviously, two of the most apparent differences between human beings and rats, are body size and body weight. As you probably know, most studies provide information about dosages relative to body weight, so that, for the reader, the difference in body weight would not matter, anyways. Unfortunately a direct translation of the effects observed in a rodent model to a human scenario, based solely on body weight turns out to be very misleading.

Example 1 (this is how it is not done): A very prominent example, where the futile effort of calculating human equivalent doses simply by multiplying the given dosages with the weight of an average human being, lead to major (public) confusion, were the studies on the beneficial effects of the red wine polyphenol resveratrol by Joseph A. Baur et al. (Baur. 2006) and Marie Lagouge et al. (Lagouge. 2006) that were interpreted by the "laypress" as meaningless, because the purported "equivalent" dosages (as mentioned before, calculated solely by multiplying the dose used in the study by the weight of an average human being, cf. figure 1) would amount to hundreds, if not thousands of liters of red wine per day.
Figure 1: Example of a simplistic (and inappropriate) calculation of the human dose equivalent.
This procedure, apparently fails to take into account that oxygen utilization and caloric expenditure are much greater in rodents than in human beings, or in other words: rodents burn through food and metabolize drugs, supplements and whatever you feed them much faster than humans. In the very extreme this may mean that what is a very small dose kilogram per kilogram for a mouse, may well kill an adult human being within minutes.

Image 2: Max Rubner was
probably the first to collect
reliable data on the correlation
of surface area, caloric expen-
diture and oxygen consumption
in mammals (image from The
Eskind Biomedical Library

at the Vanderbilt University)
Thanks to the meticulous research of the German scientist Max Rubner (Rubner. 1883), we do yet know that, in most mammals, both oxygen utilization and caloric expenditure correlate quite well with the ratio of the surface area of the critter to its body weight. An average laboratory mouse, for example, has a very small body weight of ~20g and a comparably large surface area of roughly ~0.006m². An average, normal weight male human being (height 1.73m), on the other hand, weighs roughly ~70kg and has a relatively small surface are of ~1.9m². This means that a man weighs about 3500x as much as a mouse, yet his surface area is only 316x larger than that of the small rodent.

You may now ask yourselves how all that relates back to energy expenditure and metabolic rate - well, no matter how thick the fur of the mouse may be, there is no way for the little critter to escape the basic laws of thermodynamics, which state that the heat flow (for the mouse heat loss) across the surface of an object is proportional to its surface area. On a pound per pound base, the mouse will thus expend way more energy than the man just to keep its body from cooling down.

With that being said, it should be quite obvious that the ratio of body weight [in kg] to surface area [in m²], the so called Km factor, can be used as a relative measure of the metabolic rate of an animal. Using the previously given data, we can now calculate Km factors of Km =3 and Km=37 for mouse and man, respectively. Then, the ratio of the two, Km(mouse)/Km(man) = 0.081 = 8.1%, indicates that the human metabolism runs at 8% of the metabolic rate of a mouse, or in other words, mice metabolise whatever supplement or medication you feed or inject them at a 12 times higher rate than human beings. If you compare that to the respective respiratory ratios of 165 breaths per minute for mice and 12-20 breaths per minute for healthy adults, the aforementioned correlation between body weight and surface area on the one hand and metabolic rate and oxygen consumption on the other becomes quite obvious.
Now, we can save ourselves future troubles associated with the experimental determination of the aforementioned metabolic parameters for each and every species (and animals of the same species, yet with different body sizes / form, e.g. children vs. adults) if we just collect the respective data on body weights and surface areas, and tabulate the respective Km values. Using these values we can easily calculate the equivalent doses for a given species by using the following equation (cf. Reagan-Shaw. 2008):

HED (mg/kg) = Animal dose (mg/kg) * (Animal Km : Human Km)

Where the term in (mathematically unnecessary brackets) would be a conversion factor given by the ratio of the Km value of the species that was used in the respective study to the Km value of the target species. For the majority of the studies you will find on the SuppVersity, the original study was done on mice (Km = 3) or rats (Km = 6) and the conversion factors which are probably of greatest interest for you, i.e. the ones for humans would be 3/37=0.081 for mice (cf. discussion above) and 6/37=0.162 for rats, respectively.
The people from the FDA, who always tend to think nobody could be half as smart as they are, obviously wanted to play safe and included these "conversion factors" along with the Km values in their Guidance for Industry on "Estimating the Maximum Safe Starting Dose in Initial Clinical Trials for Therapeutics in Adult Healthy Volunteers" (FDA. 2005):
Table 1: Km values for various species according to FDA Guidance for Industry (FDA. 2005)
Example 2 (this is how it is done): With this new knowledge you can also calculate how much black pepper you would have to consume to achieve the effective dosage of piperine that was used in the study mentioned in the SuppVersity news last Thursday. With an average piperine content of 3 to 8 g/100g and about 0.2-0.3g/100g of the minor alkaloids piperyline and piperettine in black pepper (Schulz. 2004), a rat would have to consume somewhere between 500-1300mg of black pepper corns per day to achieve the 40mg/kg dose that effectively accelerated the metabolism of the rats in the study by Shat et al. (Shah. 2011). All you have to do now, is look up the Km values of rats (Km=6) and humans (Km=37) and insert the respective values in the given equation, so that

HED(40mg/kg in rats) = 40mg/kg * (6 kg/m² : 37kg/m²) = 6.5mg

would yield the amount of piperine and

HED(1000mg/kg in rats) = 1000mg/kg * (6 kg/m² : 37kg/m²) = 162mg

the amount of pepper corns you would have to use to achieve the "same effect" in human beings.

A final word on the italicized "same" in what would otherwise be the last sentence of this article: You will probably never see identical effects across different species, regardless of how exact you try to calculate the equivalent doses. There are simply too many differences between mice and men and the way they metabolize different substances to be able to translate results from experiments with oftentimes fundamentally different agents from mice to men and vice versa using nothing but the ratio of body weight to surface area as your guide. Consequently, you should consider human equivalent doses as a means to interpreted whether or not animal data is practically relevant and what amounts of a given substance would roughly have to be used in follow up studies to evaluate whether or not the results can be reproduced in human beings.

Adelfo Cerame: Intermittent Carbohydrate Modulation as a Stepping Stone Towards an Anatomy Chart Physique

Adelfo's goal is to look like an anatomy chart. Now, I don't know about you, but I have seen dozens of anatomy charts that reveal less details of the human physiology than this side-shot which was taken only three days ago.
If you read the headline of today's SuppVersity article, first, you will already know that this is not day 4 of the SuppVersity Exercise Science Week, but (finally) another of Adelfo Cerame's guestposts, here at the SuppVersity. You don't have to worry, there's going to be at least some exercise science in the SuppVersity Science Round-Up, which does (business as usual) air on 1PM (EST) live! on the Super Human Radio Network. So, if you want to be among the first to hear the latest about
  • the ameliorative effect of no more than 3g of glutamine on skeletal muscle damage and reductions in immune functions, when you're training like a maniac (learn more about glutamine)
  • the superiority of protein blends with respect to net protein retention and why the way most protein supplementation studies are designed has brought about an overreliance on whey protein and a questionable "post-workout window of opportunity" (suggested read: "Opening the Anabolic Barndoor With the Key of Science")
  • what percentage of track and field athletes would consider using performance enhancing drugs, if they had the chance and how side effects and the possibility of being busted would influence their decisions (suggested read: "The Brocebo Effect")
  • gluten degrading bacteria most of us already have in heir guts and/or mouths and how they could help fight celiac and co. (learn more about gluten & co)
  • the importance of doing both, cardio and weight lifting for anyone who's interested in optimal heart health (suggested read(s): "Weights or Cardio, What Comes First?")
  • the fat burning effects of sildenafil and how it's combination with EGCG from green tea may turn viagra into an anti-cancer drug (read more about viagra & natural alternatives)
... the podcast, which will be part of tomorrow's Seconds is not really an option ;-) That being said, I have already taken up way too much room in Adelfo Cerame's SuppVersity guestpost - it's high time to make room at the SuppVersity's "writer's desk" ;-)

Adelfo Cerame is back in the house

Well, after a short hiatus from SuppVersity (a well excused one by the way), I’m back to continue my responsibilities of making my guest blogs every other Thursday anin order to share my experiences with the SuppVersity readers as I continue my journey through the world of fitness, nutrition and physical culture ;-)

For those of you who have not been following Adelfo's blogposts right from the beginning: You can read up on his amazing and truly inspiring story how, he got injured and turned it life around in his very first SuppVersity post.
The reason I have been a bit inconsistent with my guest blogs the past few weeks was - as some of you may rememeber - the final weeks of school before the graduation, when I had to learn, juggle two part time jobs and prepare for my upcoming bodybuilding competition in March '13. Not that I’m complaining, I love what has been put on my plate as of late and I’m definitely not going to take it for granted. Still, I am honestly happy that the storm is over now, that I'm finally done with school and have accomplished a goal that I set for myself 4 years ago, when I realized what my calling was and made the decision to go back to school and finish my degree in nutrition science. So now that school is done I can really focus on personal endeavors and other goals I have in mind. - with the first and most obvious one being the dang overall at the show in Florida, so I can finally earn my pro card to become an IFBB wheelchair pro.

I’ve been chasing this piece of paper for a while now and fell short twice last year to two worthy competitors. And as bad as I want that title, I know it’s not priority and never have and never will hold that title on a pedestal to where it becomes my main focus in life. It's my passion, yeah, but in the end it’s just bodybuilding, and not that important when I compare it to other aspects or priorities in my life…

Don't get it twisted, though! I am a competitor ...

.. and I will bring my “A+” game this March, and feel that I’ve made all the necessary adjustments and right moves to put myself in that position. This year I’ve surrounded myself with a great support system of friends, family, mentors, coaches and teammates that have motivated and pushed me physically and mentally to better myself from last year and to put me in a great position to have a shot at that thing again.
Figure 1: Comparison shot this vs. last contest prep back double biceps(img. Adelfo Cerame. 2012-13)
I’ve noticed some significant changes in my physique this year… I’ve been able to put on a tad bit more size especially in my lower back, I’ve been able to add some thickness to it and just might be able to bring out that Christmas tree that I’ve always been looking for on previous preps.

Full, pumped and yet still more defined - what more can you ask for?

In case you don't remember the full story, here is how Adelfo Cerame finally turned his 3-year love and hate relationship with carbs into a highly appreciated ergogenic & delicious friendship (read more)
The biggest difference that I notice is yet that I’m a lot fuller and that despite the fact that my conditioning is a tad better than at the same timepoint during my last prep. And If you’re wondering what adjustments I’ve made this year to make that difference? I’m guessing it’s the higher amounts of carbohydrates I’m consuming this year. That, and the higher training volume I am thus able to sustain. Combined with an increased frquency in body part specific training and the minimal amount of cardio, I've been doing throughout my prep, I was able to keep my overall carbohydrate intake at 150-200g per day, which is - according to my own previous standards, almost hillariously high. I have to thank my coach Alberto Nunez for convincing me to give this high carb moderate-to-low fat approach a try. It has worked out perfectly and according to Alberto, it's also going to help me finally bring in the conditioning and fullness, I may haave been lacking on my previous shows.

I feel that I’m way ahead of schedule from where I was at last year. And from the conversations that coach Alberto and I had; he told me that we haven’t even begun to get serious yet. Lol. So if that’s the case, then from this point on, I’m pretty curious and excited to see for myself how much further I can push my body so I can really achieve that disgusting anatomy chart look ;-)

"Bring on those homemade cheeseburgers, slow churned ice, and poptart pastries!"

Learn more about the RPE routine Adelfo used earlier in his prep
The picture Adel edited in right on top of the article was taken on Monday, when I was exactly 7 weeks out and on the last couple of days of an intermittent 3-week intensive dig at only 100g of carbs/day coach Alberto put me on. As of Wednesday (yesterday), we have started to slowly bring the carbs back  up on regular days and refeed days (WOOOO!!! Right in time for Superbowl on Sunday). Based on what I gather from the weekly evaluations that I get from Alberto, he feels that my body is lean enough to really benefit from an increase in carbohydrates, which will now after this intermittent low carb period be directed right where they belong - into the muscle! So bring on those homemade cheeseburgers, slow churned ice, and poptart pastries! It’s time to get serious!  Oh… Also bring on the fruits and vegetables! Can’t forget about those!

Well that’s all for this week folks! I’m glad to be back on a more consistent level from now on. And please feel free to leave comments below, positive or negative I will try to respond to all of them! Thanks for your on-going support :-)