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| A lack of libido appears - if at all - treatable w/ DHEA only in peri-menopausal women (Maggi. 2013; Pucchino. 2013); there are however a lot of other things DHEA can do for you. |
The power of electricity made it possible. Yesterday's show went really smoothly, but despite the fact that I really tried hard to cover all the most interesting topics, there was simply too much for a 1h show. That being said, I still suggest you
first download and listen to the podcast
before you go ahead and read the
Seconds with further basic information about dehydroepiandrosterone aka DHEA, its specific effects, its clinically investigated areas of application, a handful of surprising studies, its (non-excessive) conversion to estrogen, other things you may consider interesting and - as promised - a short-list of "candidates for DHEA supplementation" that may help you to find out whether you can benefit or not.
On a related note: Downloading the podcast is also well worth it, because you get Chris Masterjohn's interview on vitamin D as a "free goodie". Well worth it, I promise (
download the podcast).
Let's not waste time, but get straight to the point
As you have heard DHEA is the most abundant steroid hormone in your body, it is produced in the mainly in the adrenal gland (~31mg in men and 18mg in women). In women specifically, DHEA is also the main precursor to androgens (testosterone, DHT & metabolites). For both men and women DHEA and DHEA-S the most abundant, sulfur-bound stable transport form of DHEA. It acts as a neurosteroid the age-induced decline of which has long been implicated as one, if not the main hormonal underpinnings of the cognitive decline we experience as we age.
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| Figure 1: Age-induced decline in DHEA, effects of oral contraceptice use, hormonal cascade that leads to the formation of DHEA (enzymes to the side) and overview of reasons for DHEA decline. |
Looking at the data in
Figure 1 (upper left hand) this would actually appear logical. After all DHEA
is on a steady decline that starts as early as in our late twenties. As with "paleo logic", the "naked ape hypothesis" and the vitamin D craze (listen to the previously mentioned interview with Dr. Masterjohn and you'll know what I am talking about, here), not everything that appears to be perfectly logic is also correct. So, it should not come as a suprise that corresponding studies involving healthy individuals aged 60 years and over who were treated with (near) physiological doses of
DHEA (50-100 mg/day) have yielded very few positive results (Hildreth. 2013).
Fitness is rewarded: Did you know that men who exercise regularly have 2x higher DHEA-S levels than sedentary slobs? they also have 41% lower body fat %-ages (Tissandier. 2001) - coincidence? Probably not! Being fat lowers DHEA and low DHEA increases fat gain (Pritchard. 1998). The beneficial effects of DHEA on body comp, on the other hand, are mediated by the modulation of the effects of cortisol (listen to the show) and direct lipolytic effects on subcutaneous (women) and visceral (men) fat (Hernández-Morante. 2008;
more evidence).
Specifically with respect to the cognitive effects, or rather their absence in corresponding trials, it may yet well be that our problem is administration specific and/or of pharmacokinetic nature and thus a mere result of the fact that you cannot replace the endogenously produced DHEA in the central nervous system (which is next to the gonads #2 of the non-adrenal tissues that is capable of synthesizing DHEA from pregnenolone; Dong. 2012). The short-lived pronociceptive (=pain reducing) effects (<150min) of oral DHEA supplementation at 10mg/kg in rodents would furthermore suggest that we are not so much suffering from low systemic levels as we are from our bodies inability to regulate DHEA levels on demand (Gąsińska. 2012).
Apropos regulating DHEA levels "on demand"Actually DHEA is supposed to increase in response to stress. When stress is becoming "normal", however, the stress-induced DHEA release becomes blunted (Lennartsson. 2013). This process is actually characteristic of the early stages of "adrenal fatique" - I deliberately use the term in quotation marks, because there is no "fatigue" involved here, it's a "simple" deregulation of the up and down that
should be characteristic of our stress natural and health response; see "Science Round-Up Seconds: All About Cortisol, Fat Loss, Body Composition and the Efficacy & Safety of 7-Keto & Co" |
read more.
And while it may make some sense to supplement with DHEA in the early stages of "adrenal fatigue" (high cortisol, minimally decreased DHEA) its "anti-cortisol" effects are going to do more harm than good, once the initially high cortisol levels are breaking away, and dropping from high to rock bottom. In these latter stages of adrenal fatigue DHEA only treatments could actually make you believe that life sucks even more than it does already.
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| Figure 2: Elevetated DHEA levels in the AM and PM and a low DHEA / cortisol ratio in the AM (8h) are characteristic of patients with major depression (Assies. 2004) |
Life sucks? Yeah, right that reminds me of something else I could not squeeze into the life show: Did you know that the level of DHEA in the cerebrospinal fluid of suicide attempters is elevated (Chatzittofis. 2013)? No, well what about its association with regular depression, then (see
Figure 2)?
"DHEA-S was significantly elevated, in conjunction with normal cortisol levels. Based on DHEA-S at 22:00 h only, 77% of the subjects were correctly classified in a discriminant analysis as depressed or control. When simultaneously entered in a multiple regression analysis, DHEA-S (morning and evening) and cortisol (evening only) predicted symptom severity in depressed patients. These preliminary results suggest that DHEA-S may be a more sensitive indicator of depression and symptom severity than cortisol in medicated but still clinically depressed patients." (Assies. 2004)
Surprised? You shouldn't be. At least as a regular here at the
SuppVersity you should by now be aware that more of a good thing is not necessarily better.
Too much of a good thing is probably also the reason for most side effects I actually went into pretty much detail on the connection between dosing schemes and ranges, on the one hand, and potential side effects, on the other hand during the live show, already. I will therefore stick to a reminder here: The more DHEA you take, and the higher the individual dosages, the greater the hard-to-predict conversion to androgens and estrogens.
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| Figure 3: These hormone levels (expressed relative to placebo control at baseline) do not look exactly as if they would be able to induce a -31% reduction in body fat within one month. Plus: They do by no means look like the results of 1,600mg of DHEA per day - that would be ~53x more than your body produces on a daily basis (data adapted from Nestler. 1988) |
Against that background it is all the more surprising to read that Johne E. Nestler et al. claim to have supplied their subjects with 1,600mg DHEA per day (no typo I had a mistake in my show notes and said 1,800mg
during the live show - sorry for that, but the general notion is the same - that's a totally crazy! dosage).
"The men then took orally, in a double blind fashion, capsules containing either placebo or 400mg(138.7mmol) DHEA four times daily [total daily DHEA dose, 1600mg or 28days]." (Nestler. 1988)
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| The data in the study at hand is even less credible, if we look at the results of a more recent study which showed age- dependent increases of 100-300% in testosterone, when young(er), middle aged and older men took 50mg of DHEA the night before they undertook a HIIT regimen (learn more)... but hey, maybe the guys trained once during the 30 day study period and hat a 3000% T-boost |
Without changes in activity levels or dietary intake this
insane (don't to this at home or anywhere else ;o) DHEA protocol lead to a 31% reduction in body fat within one month. If you listened to the show, already, you will know that I am pretty skeptical, though,
- whether these results are accurate or simply the result of faulty measurements
- if more than 10% of the ingested DHEA actually was absorbed
I mean let's face it: With statistical significant increases
only for DHEA (280%) and androstenedione (+100%) but in the absence of significant increases in testosterone, estrogen (neither E2, nor E1), decreases in SHBG or blood sugar and insulin resistance this result is simply incredible (in the most literal sense of the word)... ah, you do remember: Don't give it a try! Right?
High estrogen is not a regular side effectNo, no and no. Look at the data from the Nestler study. 1,600mg per day and NO (=ZERO) change in estrogen. This is however not the norm - the norm is a proportional increase in estrogen
and testosterone which tends to leave
healthy men with a
higher testosterone to estrogen ratio than before. Examples? Here you go:
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| Figure 4: Effects of 50mg DHEA for 36 months in 70yr old men (left) and 100mg of DHEA for 6 months in men and women (Müller. 2006; Morales. 1998) |
As you can see the results may be very different: Increases in estrogen and testosterone in the Müller study with 50mg for 36 months in 100 nonhospitalized, nondiseased, independently living men, aged 70 yr and over with low scores on strength test, on the one hand; and no effects in the male participants of the study by Morales et al. (1998), on the other hand.
The Morales study should by the way remind us of one of the most important functions of DHEA in women - it's the main precursor to male sex hormones (here testosterone
Figure 4, right-top and DHT
Figure 4, right-bottom); as discussed further down, DHEA
can thus in fact be used as a "HRT"-like treatment in women, but not in men.
So who can benefit?Actually the previously mentioned sex difference segues nicely into my here's who benefits list, Carl and I did not really have the time to cover, yesterday... so let's see:
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| DHEA increases Testosterone & Blunts Muscle Damage (read more) |
people with low (age-corrected) DHEA levels - in this case DHEA is like any other hormone replacement therapy and should be monitored by a medical professional of whom you should make sure that he controls for confounding factors that would point towards confounding and causal factors - people in their late 40s or later - as discussed in the show, the changes in hormonal levels, body comp and quality of life questionnaires may not be significant, but if you compare them to the control groups there is usually a benefical trend (gaining muscle and losing fat is better than the other way around, even if its only in the 500g range; cf. Müller. 2006; also discussed in the live show); still in view of the fact that you really don't know what you will get - get tested (must: DHEA-S, testosterone, DHT, estrogen (E2); optional: SHBG, free testosterone, E1, insulin, cholesterol panel, PSA (addition as per Daria's suggestion) - the latter two may in fact improve, by the way) after 1-2 months and every 6 months thereafter
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| DHEA blunts fat deposition more effectively than testosterone; for both the effects are mediated via PPAR-gamma (read more) |
men and women with low androgens - though (esp. for men) "real HRT" is probably the better way to go, you can try what I outlined for 40+ agers to bump up your androgens, as well- women in early menopause - benefits have been observed for both the Kupperman score (index to quantify menopause symptoms) and vasomotor symptoms of menopause (Stomati. 2000).
Some authors even consider it an adequate hormone replacement alternative for women (both studies used "only" 50mg/day!):
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| Suggested read: "Carnitine as Repartitioning Agent? IGF-1, p-AKT & mTOR Up, Catabolic Proteins Down + 7% Improvement in Lean- to Total Mass Ratio" | read more |
"Administration of DHEA significantly affects several endocrine parameters in early and late postmenopausal women independently from body mass index. Our data support the hypothesis that DHEA treatment acts similarly to estrogen-progestin replacement therapy on the GHRH-GH-IGF-1 axis. This suggests that DHEA is more than a more than a simple "diet supplement" or "antiaging product"; rather it should be considered an effective hormonal replacement treatment." (Genazzani. 2001)
another pro-argument is certainly the increase bone mineral density, which is and will probably always remain one of the major issues in menopause. Other things worth mentioning: Actually I have a couple of pages of additional notes, but I guess these are the most interesting points → DHEA increases intramuscular DHT, which is associated with increased insulin sensitivity (Sato. 2011) → DHEA improves both GLUT-4 and Akt (could also increase protein synthesis) in diabetic rodents (Sato. 2009) → DHEA improves the levels of the master anti-oxidant GSH in aging (or sick) livers (Jacob. 2011) → DHEA slows the development of type II diabetes (Byrne. 2001; rodent model) → Salivary cortisol and DHEA-S concentrations reflect the activity of the HPA axis (Ghiciuc. 2011) → DHEA opposes the immune suppressive effects of cortisol (Chen. 2004) → DHEA has thermogenic effects (Lardy. 1995) → DHEA is on the WADA list of prohibited substances, but doping researchers say its effect / side effect profile is not worth it anyway (Hahner. 2010) → DHEA has anti-breast cancer effect in rodent model of developing mammary cancer (via conversion to androgens; Labrie. 2001)
men and women with hyperthyroidism - the increased thyroid activity "burns" through all adrenal hormones, so that backup (of both DHEA and cortisol) can become necessary (Agbaht. 2013)- patients on glucocorticoids (e.g. for inflammatory or immune diseases) - cortisol and synthetic glucocorticoids suppress DHEA production - it's thus logical that backfilling the missing hormones can help
- people on severe chronic stress - the military, for example has conducted a handful of interesting studies; two of the most recent studies were conducted by Taylor et al. (2012) and Taylor (2013) - the researchers report neuroprotective and anabolic effects with 50mg/day (classroom phase) and 75mg/day (training in the field), respectively
- people using non-aromatizing steroids - DHEA can provide a precursor for a baseline estrogen level even on suppressive non-aromatizing drugs (listen to the show for more details)
- patients suffering from lupus erythematosus ["syndrome like" = very unspecific autoimmune disease usually with sever joint pain and arthritis, ca. 5 mio people world-wide suffer; every year 100,000 new cases in the US / constantly increasing (Buvat. 2003); honestly I suspect this leaves more cortisol to get the inflammation under control, but hey what do I know; usually women, often African American or latino] proven benefit from 200mg/day
- women with diminished ovarian reserve - while the latest review says the evidence was not there, I consider the results of a study by Gleicher (2009), alone, worth giving it a try: The researchers observed a restoration of the rate of miscarriages to normal levels in the 73 cases they evaluated – that’s a reduction of -51% risk of having a miscarriage and direct effect on the occurrence of genetic disorders like "Trisomy 21" [= down syndrome] in women with diminished ovarian reserve (Gleicher. 2010) - still: don't even think about messing with your hormones, when you are healthy and wand to become pregnant!
The worst candidate for benefits are the intended costumers of the recently released DHEA-derivates from various producers - young men in the prime of their life. Chances they will benefit are slim, but not impossible. Whether one of the DHEA based alternatives deliver is yet questionable.
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| Suggested read for those who cannot get enough of DHEA stories: "Less Than 15mg of DHEA Exert Identical Beneficial Effects on Insulin Sensitivity as 1h of Cardio 5x Per Week. Both Effects Mediated Via Increases in Intra-Muscular DHT" | read more, expect similar, but not 1:1 identical results in humans |
Bottom line: I guess I would have to go on for at least 10,000 additional words (now we are at ~2,300 words, by the way ;-) to give you at least a 25% "complete" image of all you could know about DHEA, but that's not really the intention of this summary. I would be happy if you felt that listening to the podcast and reading the "Seconds" improved your understanding and you remember that 2x25mg/day are probably the best way to boost DHEA-S, while 1x50 - 2x50mg per day is more of a "hormonal" booster including a higher risk for a hardly controllable conversion to downstream metabolites.
Whether the latter will or won't have beneficial effects will vary from person to person and makes testing all the more important. If you remember that and the fact that the fairy tales on the bulletin boards all over the Internet don't provide an adequate picture of what works, what sucks and what you side effects will or won't occur (listen to the podcast for additional details), I'd say you know plenty about DHEA... and if you disagree, just check out what I previously wrote about DHEA,
here.
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